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It’s Confession and Revelation Time!

September 2, 2025 by Bill Fivaz

In the July 16, 2025, issue of the Metropolitan Coin Club of Atlanta’s Newsletter, the From the Desk of the Editor column, titled Understanding AU-58 and the Nuances of Coin Grading, introduced three seminal articles by Bill Fivaz exploring the significance of AU-graded coins. These articles—AU-58: The Grade of the Future?, Almost Unlimited Bargains in AU, and It’s Confession and Revelation Time!—are being reprinted in full on our website and will appear in the club’s next three consecutive newsletters, presented in the order of their original publication. Following the insightful discussions in AU-58: The Grade of the Future? and Almost Unlimited Bargains in AU, we conclude this series with It’s Confession and Revelation Time!. In this final article, Fivaz takes an introspective approach, reflecting on the evolution of grading systems and introducing the concept of “low-end,” “mid-grade,” and “high-end” coins within the same grade. He emphasizes the importance of nuanced grading and encourages collectors to prioritize high-end AU-58 coins for their superior quality and visual appeal. Dive into this thought-provoking piece to explore Fivaz’s compelling framework and its implications for collectors.

Confession: Years ago, when the 11-point Mint State grading scale was adopted, I was not alone in shaking my head and telling anyone who would listen that it was impossible to grade uncirculated coins in one point increments. How in the world could someone, even the seasoned third-party grading experts, be astute enough to tell an MS-63 from an MS-64 or an MS-64 from an MS-65, etc. with any degree of consistency? It just can’t be done!

Computer-grading of coins was touted for a while, but faded into the sunset as quickly as it arrived. It was probably possible to measure two of the four basic components of grading by computer, the severity and location of contact marks on each side, as well as the strength of the strike, but what about the two more important factors – luster and eye appeal? These are both elements that only the human eye can evaluate, and no computer was up to that challenge.

Revelation: After a bit of reflection on the 11-point grading concept, and trying to keep an open mind, I came to the realization that armed with sufficient expertise and viewing a lot of coins, yes, incremental point Mint State grading is possible.

To illustrate my opinion, let’s look at the following scenario:

Let’s say that you go down to your local bank, the Wombat Federal Savings and Loan, and ask the head teller to sell you that $1,000 bag of uncirculated 1886-P Morgan Dollars that they’ve had stored in the back corner of their vault for over 75 years. He does, and you haul it home and spread out the 1,000 coins on your dining room table (be prepared to eat out for the next few nights!). I would bet a double struck, off center Peruvian bottle cap that you would be able to arrange those coins into at least 11 piles, with the first pile being the worst looking pieces, the next pile being a little bit nicer, and so on.

Then, referring to the first chart, I suggest that you would have, at a minimum, 8 piles of coins which would represent the grades of MS-60 to MS-67 (we must realistically expect that there would be no MS-68, 69 or 70 coins in the bag.

The “guesstimates” I have assigned each grade you might find in the bag are just that, and others may disagree, but it’s a figure that hopefully will get the point across.

$1,000 Face Value Bag – 1886-P Morgan $ (BU) (All numbers above are +/-)

There Is Quality In Every Grade

The three columns under each grade represent the Low End (L), the Mid Grade (M) and the High End (H) of that particular grade. Based on this individual grade expansion, you can see that the original 8 piles could, theoretically, expand to as many as 24 piles (8 x 3). You may only have 1 or 2 piles of coins that you feel fall into the MS-66 or 67 category, one a tad better than the other, but the point is, as stated above, there is quality in every grade, and this is reinforced by the second chart below:

$1,000 Face Value Bag – 1886-P Morgan $ (BU) (All numbers above are +/-)

This chart zeros in on MS-65 as the subject grade. The 25 coins you might find in the bag of this particular grade are sub-divided into the three categories I mentioned above. Low End, Mid and High End examples.

I should point out that this sub-division is applicable to every grade, even on circulated grades, and the goal of the collector should be to try to purchase specimens in the third column, those that are at the upper end of the grade.

By virtue of the above, you can see that it is theoretically possible to have between 18 and 24 piles of different quality uncirculated dollars in an original bag. The key, of course, is grading with consistency. Even professional graders are not completely absolved from mistakes, a fact that they will freely admit, but because they (1) have the years of expertise and (2) look at multi-thousands of coins, their accuracy percentage is pretty darn high and they are certainly capable of grading Mint State coins incrementally.

© 2020 American Numismatic Association. Reprinted with permission of the author.

Originally presented at the Intermediate Grading of U.S. Coins Seminar, 2020 World’s Fair of Money, Atlanta, Georgia.

Filed Under: Features, Recent

Almost Unlimited Bargains in AU

August 13, 2025 by Bill Fivaz

In the July 16, 2025, issue of the Metropolitan Coin Club of Atlanta’s Newsletter, the From the Desk of the Editor column, titled Understanding AU-58 and the Nuances of Coin Grading, introduced three seminal articles by Bill Fivaz exploring the significance of AU-graded coins. As announced, these articles—AU-58: The Grade of the Future?, Almost Unlimited Bargains in AU, and It’s Confession and Revelation Time!—are being reprinted in full on our website and will appear in the club’s next three consecutive newsletters, presented in the order of their original publication. Following the foundational piece, AU-58: The Grade of the Future?, we are pleased to continue this series with Almost Unlimited Bargains in AU. In this article, Fivaz delves deeper into the value of high-end AU coins, offering a market-aware perspective on their collectibility and urging collectors to embrace these coins as strategic acquisitions rather than compromises. Dive into this piece to explore Fivaz’s compelling arguments and stay tuned for the final article in this series.

“Naw, I don’t wanna look at any circulated coins; show me what you’ve got in uncirculated!”

At the risk of sounding vain, this article could be one of the most important you’ve read in some time. I hope it will get you thinking along a slightly different line in your collecting. Whether you act on it is entirely up to you, but I wouldn’t tarry too long—it might just pass you by.

Years ago, collectors weren’t overly concerned if a “nice-looking” coin had a bit of rub here or there or wasn’t truly uncirculated. If it had nice, original luster and “looked new,” it was generally purchased as such and added to the collection. The price differences back then (30–50 years ago) weren’t nearly as dramatic as they are today, with thousands of dollars often separating AU, MS-60, MS-63, and especially MS-64 and MS-65 grades for many coins.

Everyone knows that the current frantic, almost compulsive quest for quality has caused gem material to virtually disappear from the marketplace. The coins that remain are, by and large, pieces with some sort of problem: a noticeable abrasion here, a contact mark on the cheek there, or lackluster sheen. In other words, a bushel of these little round things with the “uglies” would, if they could speak, probably emit a friendly “Bow-wow,” wag their tails, and fetch your slippers.

MS-60 and AU-58 Walking Liberty Half Dollars.
(Left) MS-60: No wear, but much of the original luster is gone, with many contact marks in the right field. (Right) AU-58: Nice original lister; just a touch of wear on the breast and leg, with minimal contact marks in field.

Let’s analyze: What makes an MS-60 coin an MS-60? Simply put, it’s not very attractive for one reason or another. Many MS-60 coins (legitimate 60s, with no wear whatsoever) are so chewed up they look like they took a 500-mile ride in the back of a gravel truck. Others exhibit dull or dirty luster, edge bumps, or have been cleaned to the point where silver coins resemble the front bumper of a ’57 Chevy, and copper coins could double as a backdrop for Judy Garland singing “Somewhere Over the Rainbow.” Although technically mint state, these “woofers” rarely sell for anywhere near the MS-60 price to knowledgeable collectors or dealers and often don’t even garner an AU quote.

Aha! This should tell us something (if we’re listening!). There is quality in every grade! There are quality Very Fine specimens, just as there are quality uncirculated coins. There are quality Very Good pieces, just as there are quality AU examples. In the vast majority of cases, a nice, high-end (quality) AU coin is far superior in “collectability” to the average MS-60 coin. There are exceptions, but compare a lustrous, properly graded AU-55 or AU-58 Morgan or Peace Dollar to an MS-60 example. Which would you be more likely to add to your collection to keep it as uniform as possible? Probably the AU coin. And after checking the price difference between AU and MS-60 listings, definitely the AU! There’s no mystique in having “all mint state” coins in your collection if many of them (the MS-60s) detract from the others in the set.

An accurately graded AU-55 or AU-58 coin is still very attractive and generally free of the “problems” that make an MS-60 an MS-60. The only thing it should have is good, honest wear—and just a bit of it.

Year Denomination AU MS-60 MS-65
1885 1c $62 $78 $500
1911-S 1c $80 $145 $2,175
1912-S 5c $100 $110 $4,800
1914-S 5c $120 $135 $1,575
1918-D 10c $35 $80 $450 (not FB)
1921-P 10c $670 $900 $2,350 (not FB)
1924-S 25c $175 $235 $1,150 (not FH)
1935-D 25c $95 $190 $410
1941-S 50c $23 $60 $590
1943-S 50c $17 $35 $220
1883-S $1 $100 $675 $44,500
1891-O $1 $36 $175 $7,100
(Prices: September 2013 Greysheet)

The challenge, of course, is locating accurately graded, high-end AU coins. The tendency, even among some grading services, is to push these “almost there” examples into the mint state category (“because that’s the price they’ll bring in the market”). But when you do find accurately graded AU-55s and AU-58s, consider adding them to your collection—or even your stock. I’m telling you straight out: it will take some reorganization of your mindset. We’ve been so conditioned to the “MS-65 or nothing” syndrome that it can be difficult to bring yourself to buy that AU coin. But down the line (and it’s just about upon us now), when AU and EF coins are all most collectors can afford, the nice ones will increase in price and disappear from the scene. In my opinion, upper-end AU coins—especially AU-58s and some AU-55s—should command a higher price than MS-60s. This trend has already started.

As stated earlier, there is quality in every grade. A glance at the chart above, taken from the September 2013 Grey Sheet, highlights some interesting price spreads for AU, MS-60, and MS-65 grades for a few randomly selected coins. The AU prices listed are for AU-50 coins, those at the lower end of the AU scale. If you can capture some solid AU-58 or AU-55 specimens (the quality AU coins) at these prices, grab them. I think you’ll be delighted you did in the years ahead.

“Naw, I don’t wanna look at your uncirculated coins; show me what you’ve got in AU!”

© 2013 Bill Fivaz. Reprinted with permission of the author.
Originally published in the September–October 2013 issue of the Metropolitan Coin Club of Atlanta newsletter.

Filed Under: Features, Recent

AU-58: The Grade of the Future?

July 30, 2025 by Bill Fivaz

In the July 16, 2025, issue of the Metropolitan Coin Club of Atlanta’s Newsletter, the From the Desk of the Editor column, titled Understanding AU-58 and the Nuances of Coin Grading, introduced three seminal articles by Bill Fivaz exploring the importance of AU-graded coins. As announced, these articles—AU-58: The Grade of the Future?, Almost Unlimited Bargains in AU, and It’s Confession and Revelation Time!—are being reprinted in full on our website and will appear in the club’s next three consecutive newsletters, presented in the order of their original publication. We are pleased to begin this series with AU-58: The Grade of the Future?, a foundational piece that examines the growing significance of AU-58 coins in the numismatic world. Dive into this article to explore the origins of Fivaz’s perspective on AU-graded coins and stay tuned for the subsequent articles in this series.

Have you been just a wee bit confused as to why one particular coin in a certain grade sells for a great deal more than another coin of the same date in the same grade? Why does one MS-65 1882-O Morgan dollar, for example, sell for $650 while another, also a legitimate MS-65 specimen, bring only $400?

While both of these coins might technically grade MS-65, the specimen that garners the higher price probably has that “something” extra in the way of toning and appearance—eye appeal! No two coins are exactly alike (a nick here, an abrasion there); each must stand on its own merit and therefore may command a higher (or lower) price than the one “listed” for that grade.

AU-58: The Grade of the Future? image Indian Cent, Lincoln Cent, Bust Half Dime, Buffalo Nickel.
Arrows indicate the first point of wear to watch for on the (top row, left to right) Indian Cent, Lincoln Cent, (bottom row, left to right) Bust Half Dime, and Buffalo Nickel.

The point is that there are MS-65s and there are MS-65s, just the same as there are different qualities in the grades of MS-63, Fine (F), Extremely Fine (EF) and, most important in my opinion, About Uncirculated (AU).

The quality grade in the AU range is at least AU-55 and more specifically, AU-58. So that we know what an AU-58 coin really is and what it actually looks like, let’s define it. I suggest the following: “AU-58—a coin that when first observed, appears to grade MS-64 or MS-65 (good luster, few contact marks), but on closer examination reveals slight wear on the highest points.”

AU-58: The Grade of the Future? image Mercury Dime, Washington Quarter, Bust Half, and Liberty Seated Half.
Arrows indicate the first point of wear to watch for on the (top row, left to right) Mercury Dime, Washington Quarter, (bottom row, left to right) Bust Half and Liberty Seated Half.

A common misconception is that a high-quality AU-58 “super slider” is just a hair away from an MS-60. Nope! In reality, it is much closer to an MS-64 or an MS-65 with just a touch of honest wear. It jumps right over the MS-60 grade because of what makes an MS-60 an MS-60—lots of contact marks, impaired luster (or a combination of each), and, in general, no real eye appeal. Add the same amount of honest wear to a coin such as this and you have an AU-50.

Is AU-58 the grade of the future?

Why not? MS-64 and MS-65 coins (and soon MS-63) have, for the most part, skyrocketed in price into the stratosphere and properly graded, very choice AU pieces are currently the bargains of the century!

Think about it. Top quality AU-graded pieces are much more attractive and priced far less than MS-60s. Someday someone is going to see the light and realize that many, if not most AU-58s, and even some AU-55s should com­mand a price in excess of MS-60 listings! I don’t know when this will happen* but believe me, they’re worth it. Don’t hesitate to pay a hefty premium for a nice, eye appealing, choice AU coin—in the years ahead you’ll be glad you did.

AU-58: The Grade of the Future? image Morgan Dollar and Peace Dollar.
Arrows indicate the first point of wear to watch for on the (left to right) Morgan Dollar and Peace Dollar.

Learn the first points of wear on your series and on some of the popular issues. Look for a loss of detail from wear in these areas as well as a difference in color, usually dull and flat in the same areas. Remember, an AU-58 coin must have MS-64 or MS-65 luster and a corre­sponding lack of marks in addition to just that little bit of wear.

If you can locate these coins, properly graded at an AU price, grab them, especially type coins and pre-1935 modern issues. Plain common sense dic­tates that these are the coins of the future—the ones collectors will seek to complete their sets without having to pay big bucks for the MS-63s, -64s and -65s.

*This article was written for The Numismatist in 1986 and this prediction has come to pass. Many technically AU-58 coins now reside in MS-61 and MS-62 holders as this is the price they are commanding in the market.

© 1999 Bill Fivaz. Reprinted with permission. All rights reserved.
Originally published in Helpful Hints for Enjoying Coin Collecting (Stanton Printing and Publishing).

Filed Under: Club, Features, Recent

Experience $100 Million in Rare Coins at the Atlanta National Money Show

February 12, 2025 by News Release

Coin enthusiasts and curious visitors alike are in for a treat at the upcoming National Money Show, taking place at the Cobb Galleria Centre in Atlanta from February 27 to March 1, 2025. With over $100 million worth of historic rare coins and currency on display, including a $3 million Liberty Head nickel, this event promises an unforgettable experience for collectors, investors, and families alike.

A Family-Friendly Event for All

Hosted by the nonprofit American Numismatic Association (ANA), the National Money Show is more than just an exhibition—it’s an educational opportunity. “It’s incredible that such small treasures can hold so much value and history, and we want everyone to have the chance to see this remarkable show in person,” says ANA President Thomas J. Uram.

The show will feature hundreds of dealers ready to buy, sell, and appraise coins and paper money. Visitors will also have access to pre-convention seminars, expert-led lectures, and world-class museum-quality exhibits.

Convention Details & Admission

The event will take place in Hall A of the Cobb Galleria Centre, with the following hours:

  • Thursday & Friday: 10 a.m. – 5:30 p.m.
  • Saturday: 10 a.m. – 3:30 p.m.

Admission is $10 for adults, while children 12 and under enter for free. Additionally, admission is free for everyone on Saturday. A valid photo ID is required for entry.

Claim a Free Collectible Challenge Coin

Visitors can receive a free limited-edition challenge coin by visiting table 130 near the Money Museum Showcase at noon each day. Designed by ANA President Uram, this exclusive coin features initials of famous Mint engravers and ties into a special National Coin Week contest. Attendees who correctly identify the engravers will be entered to win prizes.

Spectacular Rare Coin & Currency Exhibits

The National Money Show will showcase an array of stunning exhibits, including:

  • An 1804 silver dollar, one of the most coveted U.S. rare coins, with only 15 known examples.
  • One of the five known 1913 Liberty Head nickels, valued at $3 million.
  • A selection of Renaissance portrait medals, highlighting the artistic influence of the era.
  • A rare 1933 gold Eagle, one of fewer than 40 surviving specimens.
  • Historical currency from the Silk Road, offering insights into early global trade.
  • Rare Bank of the United States notes and checks, including ones signed by President Andrew Jackson and General Winfield Scott.
  • A $100 trillion banknote from Zimbabwe, a unique piece of world currency history.

Educational Opportunities & Family Fun

Attendees can expand their numismatic knowledge through the “Money Talks” lecture series, featuring industry professionals. These free, interactive 30-45 minute presentations will take place on Thursday and Friday from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.

Families and young collectors will have plenty to enjoy as well. Ernie’s Treasure Treehouse will offer fun, educational activities like scavenger hunts, coin toss games, and opportunities to win numismatic prizes. On Saturday morning, the Young Collectors Corner workshop will introduce children to the basics of coin collecting, including coin identification, collecting strategies, and preservation techniques.

National Money Show Sponsors

This prestigious event is made possible through the support of key sponsors, including:

  • Corporate Sponsors: GreatCollections, Numismatic Guaranty Company, Paper Money Guaranty, Certified Guaranty Company, and Whitman.
  • Title Sponsor: TEXITcoin
  • Additional Sponsors: Angel Dee’s Coins and Collectibles, Americana Rare Coin, Classical Numismatic Group, Coins & Collectables, Coleman Foster Rare Coins, U.S. Coins, Patriot Coins and Precious Metals, West Coast Coins, Gold and Coin Exchange, and Zaner Precious Metals.

Don’t miss this extraordinary opportunity to explore rare coins, learn from experts, and participate in exciting numismatic activities. For more information, visit NationalMoneyShow.com.

Filed Under: Club, Features

Historic Carson City Mint Scale Returns Home in Record Auction

November 26, 2024 by News Release

A monumental piece of Nevada’s rich history has been returned to its rightful home. A 155-year-old balance scale, once used to weigh hundreds of millions of dollars in gold and silver bullion from the legendary Comstock Lode, has been acquired by the Nevada State Museum in Carson City. The scale, originally installed at the Carson City Mint in 1869, was purchased for $60,250 during an auction hosted by Holabird Western Americana Collections on November 24, 2024.

Carson City Mint Scale

The winning bid was made possible through generous donor support, ensuring the scale remained in Nevada despite fierce competition from collectors nationwide. Bidding for the artifact opened at $12,500 and concluded after 30 intense minutes.

“This is an important and exciting acquisition for the Nevada State Museum in Carson City,” said Dan Thiele of the Nevada Division of Museums and History. “Staff, particularly Dr. Christine Johnson and Dr. Josh Bonde, worked tirelessly to ensure this scale was returned to the Mint. This item will allow a more complete experience for our visitors. We are so delighted.”

A Historic Homecoming

The Nevada State Museum is located in the original Carson City Mint building, where the scale was first installed by Henry Troemner and Company of Philadelphia. It was operational on the Mint’s opening day in 1870 and remained in use until the Mint ceased coin production in 1893. After being used as an assay office until 1933, much of the Mint’s equipment was discarded—considered “useless junk” at the time.

Fred Holabird, president of Holabird Western Americana Collections, emphasized the significance of the artifact. “This is the original Carson City Mint bullion scale built for the United States Treasury Department in 1869. Not only is this historic scale staying in Nevada, it is returning to its former home,” he said.

The five-foot-tall scale was later featured as a popular attraction at the Nugget Casino in Sparks, Nevada, under the ownership of John Ascuaga. The Ascuaga family kept the scale in pristine condition for decades before it surfaced at the auction.

The Most Important Numismatic Artifact in Decades

“This is the most important numismatic artifact to surface in many decades and is truly a treasure found,” Holabird remarked.

The scale’s return has sparked additional interest in Carson City Mint artifacts. Families with ties to the Mint have already come forward with heirlooms, including letters signed by President Ulysses S. Grant appointing Mint officials and rare Carson City silver dollars.

For more information on this historic acquisition and upcoming auctions, visit Holabird Western Americana Collections or contact them at 775-851-1859.

This acquisition represents not just a return of a physical artifact but a reunion with Nevada’s vibrant history, offering museum visitors an enriched perspective on the state’s gold and silver legacy.

Filed Under: Features, Recent

MCCA’s First Ever All Bourse Event – November 2!

September 30, 2024 by David Crenshaw

We’re shaking things up this November with something brand new! Instead of our usual meeting, the MCCA will be hosting its First Ever All Bourse Event, and trust us—you don’t want to miss it!

This exciting idea, brought to life by member John Phipps, will give members a chance to buy, sell, and trade their coins and collectibles while also raising some funds for the club. Whether you’ve got items you no longer collect or a stash of coins you’re ready to part with, this is your chance to lighten your collection and make a little extra cash!

Here’s the Scoop

  • Tables are still available!
    Reserve a whole table for $15 or a half table for $10. No contracts, and payment will be collected at the event. With only 10 tables left, don’t wait—grab yours while you can! You can sign up at one of our October meetings or by contacting John at phippsjo2002@yahoo.com.
  • When & Where?
    The event kicks off at 4 PM and goes until 9:30 PM. Come prepared for an evening full of wheeling and dealing!
  • What about refreshments?
    Thanks to Gordan and Sandy, there will be a concession stand available so you can grab a snack while you browse the bourse.

Spread the Word!

Publicity for this event is entirely by word of mouth, so let your collector friends know about this unique opportunity. Whether you’re buying, selling, or simply browsing, this is an event you won’t want to miss!

Mark your calendars, reserve your table, and get ready for a fun and exciting evening. Let’s make MCCA’s first-ever All Bourse Event a huge success!

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